[WIP] Refresh v2

[gangstabean]

And everyone stop criticizing Sparky, he very well knows more than any of us what is right and we should not disrespect him in return. Sparky is a very experienced modder and i respect him for all of what he does, the fact that he started a whole website just to let you people enjoy halo for more than what it is, is incredibly nice. All i want is for people to respect people the way they should as I do sparky and everyone else who does things for others asking nothing in return except respect and trust, and he certainly deserves it.....

[Mota-Lev]

Dude its awesum but do u think u could either make the AR more accurate. add a BR or halo 3 AR along with other weps? (The BR would be best so u could just add that). U dont have add any CE guns just a suggestion......

Its improving halo 1. Not making it like its faggot sequels.

[Sparky]

I based the release upon these ideas:

Andor:

- last login: July 17, 2010
- last contact regarding Refresh: January 26, 2009 (almost 2 years ago) (viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7153&p=109054#p109054)
- estimated release for Refresh: about a month after January 2009 (viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7153&p=109054#p109054)
- did not read a PM I sent him one month ago
- no email contact information posted on profile
- wanted Refresh to be anticipated... but for at least two years without any mention? The project does not seem 'active' since there has been no contact regarding progress since two years ago. Or is it taking him 24x longer than his estimate, even though he already made a version 1.5 and should know a better estimate time?

I would be happy to delete the file from HDM if he wants it deleted, but I don't want his hard work sitting in the backup files of my computer. If I release Zeus 0.1 as an alpha and then remain out of contact for several years, I'd be happy for someone to post the alpha version to HDM and here at MGM. But if I even hang around the forum and can be contacted regarding Zeus, then it should be assumed that it's still a work in progress.

I am guessing that Andor is very busy with other things and perhaps is waiting on a specific technology for his version 2.0... but if it were me doing this, I would have started from scratch yet again about a year ago if I had an issue lasting a few months. I'm assuming that he has spare moments to log in, particularly during the summer. Sound like a work schedule?

And after asking some people here at MGM about it, they said I should release it anyway just like some other MGM members have released other peoples' work. I don't condone this behavior, and I expect Andor to trust me with any Alpha or Beta version, but I don't want this lost on my computer or on the HDM server.

By the way, with the HDM server, if you ever upload anything to that server, keep the files on your computer also for at least a few days longer, so that the host can make several backup clones of it in case I need to revert to a previous state due to an issue. I haven't had to do that yet, and I'm pretty fluent in what I will need to do with the server. However, I'm still going to implement features that could necessitate reversions.

[Kiyoshi]

What's this? Oh nothing surprising. What a waste.

[Smythe]

What's this? Oh nothing surprising. What a waste.

Dude, this was never going to be released. Stop with the attitude and accept the fact that andor is gone, he's moved on! anything not released would be a waste.

[{DKW}Drk]

andor is gone

Well I have ta say, That sucks HARD DEEP BALLS.

Its improving halo 1. Not making it like its faggot sequels

Mota just one thing if you think halo reach is 4 fags, you must have no idea that it's bungie's swan song.

What's this? Oh nothing surprising. What a waste.

Well the mod's beta has been released. So its not a waste. I think the mod is really shitty without the graphics.

I based the release upon these ideas:
Andor:
- last login: July 17, 2010
- last contact regarding Refresh: January 26, 2009 (almost 2 years ago) (viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7153&p=109054#p109054)
- estimated release for Refresh: about a month after January 2009 (viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7153&p=109054#p109054)
- did not read a PM I sent him one month ago
- no email contact information posted on profile
- wanted Refresh to be anticipated... but for at least two years without any mention? The project does not seem 'active' since there has been no contact regarding progress since two years ago. Or is it taking him 24x longer than his estimate, even though he already made a version 1.5 and should know a better estimate time?
I would be happy to delete the file from HDM if he wants it deleted, but I don't want his hard work sitting in the backup files of my computer. If I release Zeus 0.1 as an alpha and then remain out of contact for several years, I'd be happy for someone to post the alpha version to HDM and here at MGM. But if I even hang around the forum and can be contacted regarding Zeus, then it should be assumed that it's still a work in progress.
I am guessing that Andor is very busy with other things and perhaps is waiting on a specific technology for his version 2.0... but if it were me doing this, I would have started from scratch yet again about a year ago if I had an issue lasting a few months. I'm assuming that he has spare moments to log in, particularly during the summer. Sound like a work schedule?
And after asking some people here at MGM about it, they said I should release it anyway just like some other MGM members have released other peoples' work. I don't condone this behavior, and I expect Andor to trust me with any Alpha or Beta version, but I don't want this lost on my computer or on the HDM server.
By the way, with the HDM server, if you ever upload anything to that server, keep the files on your computer also for at least a few days longer, so that the host can make several backup clones of it in case I need to revert to a previous state due to an issue. I haven't had to do that yet, and I'm pretty fluent in what I will need to do with the server. However, I'm still going to implement features that could necessitate reversions.

3 questions: If his last login was on July, where the hell would he be? Nothing except Obama's plans to work would take 24x the amount of time it would be.
AND Andor will most probably be: Dead, Looking for his computer data, Moving, or kidnapped.

[Noodle]

AND Andor will most probably be: Dead, Looking for his computer data, Moving, or kidnapped.

OR, he has a life and has quit modding. >_>

[nil]

I sent the US Government an e-mail about releasing some documents , but I haven't got a response, so I guess I'll just go ahead and do that.

Sugar coat it all you want. You have no rights to release it without andor's permission. Not yours. Never will be Yours

I couldn't agree more. He didn't release it, nor did he give anyone permission to, so it shouldn't have been released - it is pretty simple. If Andor comes back and sees this, maybe he will get annoyed, or maybe he won't care at all - but that's not the point. Sparky's "ideas" are nothing but "sugar coating."

[kiddten]

I'm on the opposite end of the scale on this one. if it was (most likely) not going to be released anyway, why not release what was already there?

[{DKW}Drk]

Also, why not finish it for Andor?

[Sparky]

Also, why not finish it for Andor?

Andor noticed bugs in version 1.5, which is one of the reasons he began 2.0. The bugs were fixed (in my experience, this translates to "avoided") and he was on a path in a certain direction... but I don't know his main ideas (which include his methods) behind this mod, so I would not be able to modify it further and attach his name to it in good conscience, besides saying that I took what he started and went in a new direction with it.

It's like if I went to bake a pumpkin pie and only finished the crust, then a friend came along and saw the pie crust abandoned and decided to finish the pie, not knowing what flavor it was. So the friend makes a cherry pie instead, not realizing that the pie was actually for Halloween. And although everyone can share the pie, it was not a collaboration without that modicum of essential communication about its ingredients.

This is why I would rather release as much information about a project beforehand, get everyone's input and advice, and then finally BEGIN to start making that project as an open-source work. That way, I already have the advice, the audience, and the means of getting there, and since I have all these things already, I know that if that project becomes abandoned for whatever reason, it may still survive through its audience members' work.

This is of course different from someone requesting a mod and leaving you to figure out how to make it, or requesting a mod and telling you how they want it made.

[Smythe]

It's like if I went to bake a pumpkin pie and only finished the crust, then a friend came along and saw the pie crust abandoned and decided to finish the pie, not knowing what flavor it was. So the friend makes a cherry pie instead, not realizing that the pie was actually for Halloween. And although everyone can share the pie, it was not a collaboration without that modicum of essential communication about its ingredients.

This is probably the best analogy ever. Of all time.

[Mota-Lev]

Its improving halo 1. Not making it like its faggot sequels

Mota just one thing if you think halo reach is 4 fags, you must have no idea that it's bungie's swan song.

lulwat?

[Smythe]

Its improving halo 1. Not making it like its faggot sequels

Mota just one thing if you think halo reach is 4 fags, you must have no idea that it's bungie's swan song.

lulwat?

I think he confuses "Newest" and "Best".
Halo 1 was not built to have the BR or the DMR, it's better as it is.

[Andor]

Heya guys
Sparky, feel free to make that video and release whatever you want. If I've made it, I'm happy for others to enjoy it. To everyone, apologies for not being here to rectify the situation, and for the bump .
Was browsing for old times sake and read my PMs, so, everyone enjoy something I had a ball making. If people which to further work with it, sure, but not under my name as original author. Publish whatever you want, but credit Refresh as the base; indeed, that was one of my main final aims, to have a nice graphical upgrade for people to build off of.
All the best, and awesome Christmas wishes.

-A