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Occupy Movement

Post by Moxus » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:09 am

Curious to see what the forum has to say about the movement. Thoughts?

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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Excend » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:12 am

Well A. Walking around in the streets isn't going to get you more money... and B. The Republicans in congress are dumb asses, many millionaires have agree that they should pay more taxes, but the republicans won't listen.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by TaxiService » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:52 am

I am in favor of occupying!

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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Slapzy » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:39 am

I have mixed feelings about it. So far, the protesting has been peaceful, and they've been putting in quite a bit of time hoping for some kind of change or revolution.. but the only thing they've received has been police assaults. One of their chants was "this is democracy," I can't help but laugh at how ironic and ignorant that statement is, considering the point of democracy was to prevent mob rule. However if all of those people actually put that much time into looking for work (and they have to be willing to work anything) I'm pretty sure that many of them could have found some sort of job. I've been working various jobs since I was 15. I'm 21 now. I'm still pretty much the 99%, but unlike the "99%" I don't spend my time walking the streets hoping for change, or demanding something just because I feel entitled to it. I spend my time working, trying to make something of myself. Finding work is easy. It's the amount of time and willingness that prevents those people from getting more work. Sure some people claim to have been looking for work for months or years, and yes there's going to be a small percentage that are really just unlucky and unable to find work. But the majority? The options for work are limitless. They just put in an application here, and there, without really following up, or making finding a job their full-time job. Everyone I know that has put in 40 hours a week into finding a job, has found a job. Hell, I have friends that couldn't find work, that ended up just starting their own businesses, from selling shit online, to designing t-shirts. There's more help now than ever for new startups, people just don't want to.

I don't make a lot of money at all, I can't afford college, I don't even have a car at the moment. I skate 15 miles to/from work every night. It's hard, but I make enough for what I need. Instead of buying an iPad on credit, or getting a loan for a car and going into debt like the majority of the other 99%, I simply save for what I want, and buy it when I can afford it, while maybe buying a small amount of groceries on my credit card and paying it off right away every month just to build credit. I don't owe banks/people money. I'm not entitled to anything, and I certainly don't deserve it. I work, I get paid, I buy what I need and save for what I want. That's how it's been for centuries for the most part has it not? Our world is stuck in the consumers mindset. They wantwantwant but instead of saving a few bucks every paycheck, they want it now and put it on credit, then the interest and late fees and shit cause them to go into even more debt.

For those that lost jobs, I rarely see anyone out there job hunting, I go to grocery stores and fast food places and warehouses, or even healthcare facilities. I never see people walking in with resumes and asking for applications anywhere. Why not? Because people simply just aren't interested, and are not willing. Both my parents had lost their jobs a few years ago, we lost everything, they tried their own business which paid rent for a year or two, but eventually went upside-down. Sure they looked for work during those few years, applying occasionally and looking for jobs within their skillset, but never found anything because they didn't put the TIME into looking for one. At the beginning of this year they both decided to actually make an effort into getting jobs. They spent the first two weeks actively looking, and by the end of the second week, they both had jobs. My mom became a teacher, my dad was a contractor at a software company. After 4-5 months my dad got laid off again, but he found the secret to finding work, he spent the next 72 hours constantly looking for work, out on the streets in the day, and on craigslist and job websites at night, and within 3 days he found another job as a project manager for another software company. He's held that one ever since. The jobs are available, the people aren't.

Sure our economy is fucked, and our government is also fucked. (can't meet deadlines, can't solve debt, can't create jobs... the only thing they have done, is discuss making pizza sauce a vegetable and show our military's power) But our people aren't entitled to anything. They just need to go and get serious about being willing to, and putting the time in to find work.

Aside from the #occupy movement though, such as UC-Davis, where peaceful protesters (not for #occupy, but because the school was considering an additional $7k hike in fees, which students couldn't afford, especially with the possibility of federal student loans being cut at some point) were pepper sprayed for no real reason. The cops show their hand of force, because they can and because they can get away with it. Because we let them. It just goes to show how fucked our nation really is. 10% of our people are worthless, 1% laugh at the worthless 10%, 99% are just ignorant. We do need some form of revolution, but I don't think this particular movement is what we need.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by kiddten » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:18 pm

doing it in places like New Zealand is a bit, well, stupid to me but I support all you 'muricans.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Yarok » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:15 pm

I can understand that some of these people have been screwed over, and I feel for them, I really do. But the majority of these guys are a bunch of lazy fucks who want to get pity food/money by camping out there and occasionally getting beaten up. I don't support the violence used by the police, but I can help but feel that the reporting on the police's actions are a bit biased and one-sided. But back to the actual protesters.

My aunt and uncle came to America, escaping Socialist Russia, with two children, my grandparents, and for a little while my parents. They didn't have much, and they inherited nothing, but they worked their asses off. They took the jobs they could find and made as much money as they could using the skills they had. They worked 12-hour days, and barely afforded a small-ish home for four+ people. And they live like this now still, albeit once my cousins (their children) moved out they could afford two cars and a larger house. My aunt leaves the house at 7AM, comes home at 7PM, and continues working until midnight or later. She does this while 60-years-old, and still suffering injuries from a car accident. My uncle too works an 11-hour shift, and has to attend to his parents (my grandparents), one of which is delirious in a nursing home and the other is 90-years-old and living by himself. They work harder than they should to afford enough money to support a house, two cars, and myself, having arrived with no inheritance or connections to a country from another country where they were being persecuted.

My parents moved to London shortly after coming to America, however my father died when I wasn't even two from lung cancer, which he received from painting coal miners in Donetsk. While he was alive he had an agent with whom he could earn enough money to support our family. However, when he died my mother (also a painter) had no such agent and had difficulty selling her art and supporting myself. Not only that, but she was also suffering from breast cancer. I'm not entirely sure (I was too young to understand/notice), but I believe that we had to live off of some kind of welfare, while my mother had to support myself and her illness as well as depression. She died while I was nine-years-old, but in that time she supported both of use while not really having anything.

Meanwhile, the Occupy X protesters quit their jobs and faced the consequences of poor financial decisions, then get free food and money for doing so. They have a point, corporate greed is bad, and perhaps the taxing ratio is a bit off, but plenty of the "1%" have earned their place their through hard work and not being dumb-asses. Which is the exact opposite of what most of these protesters are doing.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Devious » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:22 pm

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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Moxus » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:29 pm

I have to say, initially I was very much in favor of the Occupy movement. But after reading your posts, Slapzy and Yarok, I have to say: you've tempered by passion. And I'm glad: both of you have put forward middle-of-the-road, calm points that really moderate the idea of a change in the US into something quite reasonable. That's refreshing, given how it seems that much of the media and the world is rife with passionate hype.

I agree with you in many respects: I think that in many ways the United States and Canada (because I don't think Canada is immune, just less vocal and less affected) have fallen victim to a high sense of entitlement. And as a result, I think we've lost a lot of our communal value for hard work, replacing it, in many cases, with a notion that we deserve things rather than earn them. That's a shame, because there is so much wealth in modesty. Thinking about that, I realize that surely the banks and the government are partially to blame, but that the individual is ultimately responsible for their actions. And we can't ignore that.

It's just a shame that, for better or worse, we're all tied to the same ship.

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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Monk34 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:10 pm

It's a valiant effort that brings a lot of attention to a lot of America's problems, but it's goals and methods are unrealistic and counter productive.
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Re: Occupy Movement

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Mainly the last two, but if you find yourself with any extra spare time, feel free to check out the rest; then you'll understand better.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Yarok » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:59 pm

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Slapzy wrote:10% of our people are worthless, 1% laugh at the worthless 10%, 99% are just ignorant. We do need some form of revolution, but I don't think this particular movement is what we need.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Vegerot » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:03 am

Did you even watch the videos? Yes, believe it or not, even with the extremely hot girls on the cover, it does talk about the Occupy Movements a LOT. Watch the videos, then come back.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Excend » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:23 am

*facepalm*... Veggieburger, you posted 8 videos, each around 7 minutes long, and talking about the occupy movement for 10-30 seconds in as much depth as "The occupy movements are a good thing, click these links below..." Oh hey! Look, you embedded the videos so there aren't even any links below. Also, I don't know if you realized, but I realized that the last 10 videos you posted were THE SAME GUY. You could have simply linked us to his channel and said "Hey, this guy is retarded but he has some interesting points, if you have time to waste watch them".
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Smythe » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:59 pm

Meh. It'll blow over soon. Good luck to changing stuff, and if it happens then well done. But i don't wanna get involved.
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Re: Occupy Movement

Post by Sparky » Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:40 am

Smythe wrote:Meh. It'll blow over soon. Good luck to changing stuff for the better, and if it happens then well done. But i don't wanna get involved.
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